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Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10? [Answer: No, different breed!]

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:49 am
by Pepe
Recently I purchased an Ibanez DSC10 Digital Chorus. A few years ago a forum member sent me a CP10 Compressor in a pedal tour. While I really like the sound of the chorus, I wasn't fond of the hissy compressor (I don't know if Laurie, whom I sent it to, still has it).

This Ibanez 10 series has a cult following these days. Today, the TS10 Tube Screamer Classic seems to be one of the most expensive Tube Screamer variant out there. Several thousands must have sold in the '80s, but now they are fetching crazy prices.

[Blasphemious thesis warning!] But aren't the orginal Maxon pedals the better ones?

If you compare the Ibanez 10 series and Maxon 01 series, you will notice that the Maxon pedals seem to have a sturdier build quality. The jacks are screwed to the chassis as well as the (metal shaft?) potentiometers. The Ibanez pedals have potentiometers with plastic shafts that are simply soldered to the smaller circuit board and they only have supporting plastic sleeves (like the Ibanez Soundtank pedals) to prevent that they are too wobbly. But they are wobbly. And the jacks are only soldered to the main circuit board, a method that hasn't proven failure-free in all the Aria, Arion, Rocktek, etc. pedals.

All in all the Maxon 01 series has the sturdy build quality as the Maxon and Ibanez 9 series - the Ibanez 10 series has the build quality of the first generation of the Soundtank series.

Okay, that's nothing that you can actually hear. But in Bart's wonderful effectsdatabase you can always see if a pedal model is based on or relates to another one. We all know that Maxon designed the circuits for Ibanez in the '80s and they always stood in the shadow of the bigger name Ibanez. In the case of the horribly expensive Ibanez TS10 the effectsdatabase refers to the Maxon OD-02:

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The Maxon OD-02 has five control knobs instead of the three in the TS10. Both have Drive, Tone and Level. But the OD-02 does also offer "Phase" (from "Tight" to "Fat"), whatever that one does (midrange eq?) and a "Mix" knob which seems to offer the possibility to blend in the original signal. That's really cool!

If the Maxon OD-02 happens to have the same sound as the TS10, it is still flying under the radar, because the used prices are really reasonable. I have seen a few that are about $120.

What are your thoughts? Can anyone confirm if the Maxon has the same circuit under its hood? So far I cannot find the schematics for the OD-02.

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:06 pm
by laurie
Pepe wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:49 am
I don't know if Laurie, whom I sent it to, still has it
Might not have been me? I have no recollection... Certainly, there is nothing like this in my collection.

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:09 pm
by Pepe
No, it was definitely sent to you. I also apologised for not having found something more exciting for you. It was several years ago when natthu still organised the tours.

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:46 pm
by laurie
Pepe wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:09 pm
No, it was definitely sent to you. I also apologised for not having found something more exciting for you. It was several years ago when natthu still organised the tours.
Oh dear. If more than 10 years ago(?) it will have gone as part of the The Great Pedal Purge of 2013. I checked my spreadsheet from back then and it isn't showing up. Strange.

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:01 pm
by Pepe
Apparently it was the fifth tour in 2012 and you might have received it around December. I received the CP10 alongside a Pearl F-603 Graphic Equalizer (that I should have kept!) in April 2012 from the former member Mully from Germany.

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:49 pm
by Dirk
Oh wow, we had so many members back in the day. Where have they all gone? Dasbeef, Franzoni? And some crazy American whos name I forgot... :lol:

Back on topic, I have no experience with both 10 series and Maxon pedals.
However, I do remember my brother having a CP-10 as well, like 20 years ago, but I think he didn't like it either and switched it for a TS-9 :lol:

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:22 pm
by Pepe
Dirk wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:49 pm
And some crazy American whos name I forgot... :lol:
You were certainly thinking of "Touchwah".

Yes, we have had a lot of great members in the past that aren't around anymore (or only visit our place from time to time) and some have left a gap that wasn't closed yet. In the time of all the social media channels, forums have notably less traffic. Fifteen years ago there was almost no week without a new member asking in which order to arrange his guitar pedals or how to power them correctly. Now all this information can be found everywhere within seconds and there are tutorials for everything at YouTube. A forum like ours is still a great source for useful information but it isn't a big fish in a small pond anymore.

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:09 pm
by laurie
Pepe wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:01 pm
Apparently it was the fifth tour in 2012 and you might have received it around December. I received the CP10 alongside a Pearl F-603 Graphic Equalizer (that I should have kept!) in April 2012 from the former member Mully from Germany.
I have a vague recollection, but can't find any record of it.

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:11 pm
by Pepe
Are fuzzbuzzfuzz or zentropa able to shed some light on the Maxon OD-02 topic?

Re: Is the Maxon OD-02 the better TS10?

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:27 pm
by zentropa
Pepe wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:11 pm
Are fuzzbuzzfuzz or zentropa able to shed some light on the Maxon OD-02 topic?
Never had one of those, I just know that in the past 30 years I have encountered at least 100 broken Ibanez 10 and L Series pedals but 0 broken similar era Maxon pedals.

The demand for the 10 series stuff and subsequent decline in demand for the 9 series stuff puzzles me to no end.